Linda grew up in a broken home where her parents separated and remarried while she was still young. Dreath saidWhen Patti Tate asks Good why her sister had to die. Its been awhile but I think I recall she said she took his wallet. She was granted full immunity from prosecution in exchange for 18 days of testimony. ]But her last statement in the world of saintly jurists is not 'reliable': you as the listener/ reader should stop listening/reading where indicated. Well done. Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. On August 8, 1969, Linda was selected to drive the killers to the Tate residence because she had the only valid driver's license. Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night". Far more than the others that actually went to jail, fingers can be pointed at Linda about how not to conduct one's life. Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witness and helping her knock Atkins out of the box. Are any of you people aware of the history of Jehanna D'arcAKA Jone of Arc?Delusionalmaybe, but it would be the equivalent of Lesley Van Houten taking her knife and not killing innocent soft targets, but storming the LAPD for her beliefs. She appears to have had no or little choice. I am still in contact as recently as 12/16. Clearly, in his eyes he is as highly qualified to judge as God. Her new family, though, was already falling apart. And refused. Groups like the Revolutionary Youth Movement- Weather Underground and precursors to the SLA like those in the Revolutionary Union who support the strategy of urban warfare espoused by people like H Bruce Franklin and the leadership of Venceramos (sp?) But they also shine a light on the crimes themselves. The idea of Charles Manson symbolizing evil is daft to me ~ even though I think he is guilty of what he was convicted for. Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! No other reason." RH: Maybe like this?1. About the license, it had to be expired. It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. You shouldn't stop- that is fascinating stuff Saint, I just watched that. [This is very good lawyering. You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. But I rereading my post above I do feel regret. Dreath, I seem to agree with most things you have said.Does it carry any weight with you that The Actual Killers say they want there to ignite H/S?? Hands? DEBUNKING THE BUNK PART 1: A Look at Joel Rostau, Thoughts on the LaBiancas and the motive on August 10th, Benedict Canyon Acoustics and Bugliosi's Timeline, The Law: Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Felony Murder and One for the Colonel. Member of the Manson Family (born 1949) Add links. Who Is Linda Kasabian? "It was so quiet, one of the killers would later say, that you could almost hear the sound of ice rattling in the cocktail shakers in the homes way down the canyon.". :). I read it otherwise. Early on at least however, Atkins was under the impression that doing whatever Tex told them to do meant "Charlie has instructed, OK'd and ratified this. That's hardly her doing. But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. To me, it was just what was happening as I went through it.As for there being alternative possibilities, that's rather like saying there was a Wednesday last week. I didn't perceive you as the problem. Truancy? In case anyone is wondering, any reports of Manson's death are at this point to be considered exaggerated. Granted, not everyone becomes a murderer because of a rough passage in a part of one's life, but to be honest, that's no argument, because some do.But this isn't an appeal to feel sorry for anyone, just an observation that life contains nuances that are neither easy to explain nor simple to dismiss. Whether Linda engaged in any violence or had the ability to do so isn't the big question here. So I suspect that IF the TATE / LaBianca massacre took place today, they would be filling the ambulances with cops who got nauseated and pass-out. Exact chronology and constant detail rarely happens, even in nice things we describe. These weren't and aren't good people. 2. Equally, the idea of Linda as the heroine of the hour is daft to me even though I think she did the right and good thing by testifying. Dont know about license but she did live in nadhia likre you said my mother cashed her welfare checks back in the 70s.She was shocked to see her. The trial ? It was better for him to say nothing at all and deny any knowledge or complicity than it would have been for him to start opening doors and admitting that he'd known what was in the wind. I don't care if it's ten seconds, ten minutes or an hour. And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. It had to be her DL and it was rejected due to being expired it.This supports the copy cat motive. It was done with no thought, " may offer a window into the confusion and their lack of planning and co~ordination. How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?We don't know she wouldn't kill. Her father was a construction worker and her mother a stay-at-home parent. But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. You are correct, alone it is meaningless. Though it may sound like an almost insane point to make, I think that the real loser in the entire saga was indeed Linda. But, again, all good. Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. But is like a badge of honor to people to refuse to give H.S any weight at allAnd it just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibility, when all of the actual killers themselves have repeated the validation that it was for over 40 years with the exact same stories, and memories.you can hear the shame, embarrassment, and humiliation in the voice of a sobered up- middle aged Leslie Van Houten as she tries to explain H/S and the "Hole in the Desert" to her parole boards. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. ]MR.KANAREK: He is arguing with the witness, your Honor. But if anyone has known for the last 47 years, they ain't been talking. Murder Cases of the Twentieth Century - Biographies and Bibliographies of 280 Convicted or Accused Killers, discrepancies between evidence and narrative, discrepancies between physical evidence and testimony, Manson Exposed A Reporter's 50 Year Journey into Madness and Murder, Manson Speaks: Inside the Mind of a Madman, MANSON The Live and Times of Charles Manson, movie review. THUS, when America finally converts to a pure "socialist" society, "money won't mean anything" and "Helter Skelter" will become a moot issue in such a highly progressive society.BTW; It was Charles Manson who said: "money won't mean anything and the people on the bottom will be on the top." St Circumstance saidMaybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do?? At one point he actually criticizes one of the defence lawyers for calling a witness without having spoken to them.I thought all lawyers know what they want those that matter to hear ! The two traveled the country, enjoying the hippie lifestyle from commune to commune. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED forYeah, despite Bugliosi saying in his closer:"One thing is abundantly clear. So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. She chose to be the way she was and then she eventually became the same kind of parent that Diane and Ruth had.So Sad. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again.."The problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. "I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. If you read this post and think Linda is someone to pity and use positive phrases for, or defend- that is cool as the other side of the pillow. I don't like that Martin Luther King was supposedly caught on tape cheating on his wife but even if true, it wouldn't invalidate some of the good things he did. tobin james the blend 2017 ; real estate marketing solutions; linda kasabian daughter tanya; lassi kefalonia shops linda kasabian daughter tanya ]MR.KANAREK: Compound, your Honor, leading and suggestive. Now you seem to be hating on John McCain who enlisted, was shot down, and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. If you are saying he is wrongly in jail..As soon as Manson enters the LaBianca house, ties them up, tells them not to worry it is only a robbery he is done as soon as someone is murdered, especially IF he then told the rest to kill them but even if he didn'tThat, my friend, is felony murder and, no, it doesn't matter you, personally, didn't 'intend' to kill anyone. But Bugliosi's write up of it makes it sound like a sensational groundbreaking moment that was obvious to all.I was made to live in Nigeria at the age of 14 without being informed {I was on holiday}. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. Most likely a white man took his place. Maybe around the middle of the night. She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. There aren't many theories though. Until you examine it. AND the Donald Trump (avoiding the Vietnam WAR) issue is the perfect subject to begin the discussion.IT should lead us directly to LBJ (a loving father to HIS children and a Natural Born KILLER to many of us). It was dark for 4 or 5 hours, after it had been dark.Q. That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my caseI guess there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever that her story was true.Why would any lawyer not want to help their case ?Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs Did he actually say that ? March 1970 to Linda Kasabian, father unknown. What if she wouldn't have testified? ]THE COURT: Overruled. Linda Kasabian Who Is She: Kasabian was the Family member who eventually turned on the Family. Before Tate-LaBianca She attended Milford High School in Milford, New Hampshire in 1964 and 1965. fn. Favorite Buglioli line: Manson loved children and animals. We know very little of any consequence about what any of them were like or did prior to or after the murders ~ and to be honest, that's how it should be. !STAY OUT OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST!! Debra Tate Disgraces the Words Victims' Advocate, Manson Blog Reveals True Identity and Fate of Ruby Pearl. We may be more sophisticated now {or maybe just more easily sucked in by salacious red herrings} but the jury often gets a bad press, being portrayed as ignorant ding~a~lings that were easily swayed by Nixon {never mind that some of them had no time for Nixon} whereas if you ask me, they were pretty conscientious for the most part.On top of that, Linda bared all, which made it difficult for any historical shit to stick. The general consensus seems to have been that it all happened very quickly.But what do I know ! But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. Robert,Thank you for the clarification. Those failed strategies are ineffective in bringing about change. And Ruthann ended up turning out ok- even more of a reason phrases like "Dark to Light" apply- if you have to use them at all.I admit I am a little surprised people will defend Linda Kasabian so fiercely. Right off the bat, any person with the capacity for critical thinking should question that. When Charlie meets with Susan, even though she's plumbed him firmly in it with confessions, articles, interviews,a book and a grand jury starring role, she recants and ends up granting herself a one way ticket to oblivion.Coincidence ?Tex and Linda, on the other hand, don't see or have contact with Charlie and stick with their stories {even though we know Tex's is bullshit, some of Linda's is corroborated by Joe Sage}.Coincidence ?Fits her personality (disorder? I remember reading it over at the now dearly departed Cat's site. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library cardIt's not the only possible explanation. var part1 = "deb"; "She obviously neglected to mention that she got into Steven Parent's car. That change must include the BPPs Ten Points. On August 8, 1969, Kasabian and. Meanwhile, the ranch was raided and everyone was arrested on auto theft charges. Maybe the pity you have for Linda- who walked away free (That She blew it is her own fault)- would be better served to the people affected by what she helped do??? And it is almost impossible - hell, it is impossible - to cut the guy who proclaimed himself the Devil before butchering nine people any slack. Great job. Kasabian Thought for the Day: If Watson is attacking Voytek.."And while this was going on, the man had gotten up, and I saw Tex on top of him, hitting him on the head and stabbing him, and the man was struggling,"And Krenwinkel is chasing Abigail"then I saw Katie in the background with the girl, chasing after her with an upraised knife,"And this is was happening thirty feet outside the door.. "And then Sadie came running out of the house, and I said, "Sadie, please make it stop." That gives it more weight than retrospective opinions which sometimes is a good thing, but sometimes is not as in what LVH was ultimately charged with. However, if there's one thing I've picked up from Helter Skeptics that I find really valuable, it's to approach this case from a number of different angles, especially angles that are not the standard ones we've been given. So that's who I listen to. So it's not as though there isn't some kind of precedent for stuff being revealed after the fact. "I was a half-assed nothing". She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? While she has a husband who is knocking off some other woman and she's worried about her child. Here is an example. And for me it doesn't matter so much 'why?'. Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. Both maligned by so-called democrats and liberal media with out-of-context quotes. I believe her when she says that she was not worried about Tonya's actually being in danger. Short answer: no, Kanareks endless objections allowed Bugliosi to get in statements he should not have. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motives. But she never says she took the wallet, though the general assumption was that she had. ?It is very possible and probable that there was other reasons for those crimes and those two houses. Have a look here: https://www.google.com/search?q=jehanne+d%27arc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=joan+of+arc+book+pdf&start=10Back on subjectread anything by FBI profiler John Douglas and why Linda is a good person compared to the rest. I gotta disagree with you on that one. The question is leading, hes suggesting the answer in his question. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. But I can't see that all of the chronology matters. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. I still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or something. Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. Robert Hendrickson posted: AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." Manson Mythos saidAbout the license, it had to be expiredNo it didn't.Bugliosi said that was the ONLY reason she was "picked"Exactly. In 1969, the 20 year old Linda Kasabian met Charles Manson at the ranch and immediately fell under his spell. My usage of it is very much in the biblical sense. I'm not sure how the neglect of Ruth's teen years inures her from criticism but not Linda. Some folk are just simply born under a bad sign, cursed with to much anger, desperation and bad judgement in their DNA. Linda least of all- the only price she paid at all was karma. Reading through the court transcripts, what is often presented in HS as a dramatic moment is actually quite tame. No one knows why. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. When her second marriage, to Armenian American Robert Kasabian, began to sour, Kasabian and her baby daughter, Tanya, returned to New Hampshire to live with Linda's mother. He wants Rudy Weber and the hose at 1:00 but most of all he wants Tim Ireland's description of the scream before 1:00. "Oh yes, Mr Pritchard has been convicted in the past of robbing banks, but he lives at home and looks after his elderly and disabled Mother and his wayward sister's troubled child..". On the following day, Linda Kasabian once again drove a carload of killers around Los Angeles, finally dropping off Tex, Katie, and Leslie at the Labianca residence. Two people had spread that around long before Linda herself was even arrested. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. Just a thought.It brings me back to my favorite question about motive. There is no one inside. She was one of the earliest to actually begin the process of putting flesh on Skelter's bones. You can correct me on that one. Manson Blog Proves that Tenerelli Was Not a Gypsy Joker! That is o.k. You don't agree. // -->,